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False claims of personal military awards: Free speech or fraud?

Fraud and our laws need to protect our Nation's heroes
94% (512 votes)
Free speech and our laws need to protect that privilege
6% (33 votes)
Total votes: 545

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fraud

Any body who claims to have earned any medal in the military and is found to have lied should be given jail time. It is not free speach. It is like thoses idiots that attend a military burial and hold up signs that god is punishing you for the war should also see jail time 

Phonies

I too, belive that you lie about having been in the service and received medals/ribbons that you did not earn, this is indeed a crime and is stolen valor. This problem has been gaining traction which you can see by looking at the membership lists of organizations such as the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars. There are people in office as well as in their membership that did not serve or in the case of the VFW, did not serve overseas. And it does no good to contact their national headquarters because it's all about the number now for these organizations.

VFW playing numbers game....

So that's how it worked with the VFW, the numbers game.  A young man I knew joined his local VFW even tho he had had a mental breakdown in Army bootcamp and was booted out after finishing just over six months, never completing boot and never leaving the state.  He then drew "cigarette money" as a disabled vet for the rest of his life some what short life.  Most of us knew he was unfit and the recruiter should have been up on charges for even recruiting the guy it was so obvious he was not soldier material.

Not All Speech is Free

Anyone who honestly makes a mistake should be given a pass, but only once.  Others who claim awards, especially awards that entitle them to certain benefits in government, hiring benefits, or inclusion in select social groups, should be subject to criminal laws similar to those found in civil law addressing libel and slander.

 

Pvt Niles Sends##

Why do liberals get it both ways?

Freedom of speech is just that. I think at the risk of offending those that defend it you lose that right. We don't let felons vote. We don't allow a Marine Sergeant to express his free speech about the incompetence of an incompetent U.S. President so where is the fairness. The Marine defends the right of free speech.

Liberals will allow the American flag to be burned, allow religious fanatics to protest military funerals and they will allow stolen Valor. This is not the America I grew up to respect...... or the America I swore an oath to defend!

Corporal U.S. Marines

Well put Marine.  And damn

Well put Marine.  And damn well make certain all your buddies VOTE in the next election.  It's the only method that active Jarhead's have to show their distrust and dislike for any politician. 

Semper Fi

Ron   U.S.M.C.  57/61

Well said...  

Well said...

 

Both Ways?

What a nonsensical argument.  What are the both ways liberals get it, Corporal?

Have you even read the text or opinions of Texas Vs. Johnson?  Did you know that 4 out of the concurring justices were Republican appointees, including conservative icon Antonin Scalia?  Or what about Snyder Vs. Phelps?  That decision allowing those "religious fanatics" to protest was 8-1.

Free speech is only important when it's speech you disagree with, Corporal.

Liberals don't allow anything.  Laws and adjudication of those laws do.

You indicated that Marines defend free speech.  Given your comments and those of your fellow Marines here, I wonder just how much you'd defend free speech if the decision were yours.

Stolen Valor?  I've never met a man yet who needed a ribbon to remind him that he did his duty.

 

False Claims...

Those who make such false claims should not be sent to jail, they instead should be sent to confinement, not on but near, one of the Marine Corps, Army, or which ever brach they claimed, bases, because they do not merrit being on the same ground as the soldiers.  And they should spend their days under specially selected D.I.s, cleaning the heads, every nook and crack of it.  And while they are on the base, they should be forced to crawl on all fours, not walk, to and from those heads, and while on the job.

Keeping it professional

Dear readers,

We deleted two comments on this thread due to the use of inappropriate language.

We welcome debate, but we also welcome civility.

Thank you Marines.

Margot Cornelius,

Web Content Editor

Leatherneck Magazine

In Response to "Both Ways"...

I believe you owe the Corporal an appology.  He is absolutely correct in not being happy about defending a freedom that civilians enjoy that the active duty military does not - free speech.  He is bound by a stricter and different set of laws as of when he signed a contract with the United States of America to defend YOUR freedoms and right to be an ars!

As a matter of contention, it is indeed the liberals that are responsible for the flag-burning and memorial-protesting rights you enjoy since is it the liberals that bring the suits up in the first place.  The decisions you pointed out wouldn't be a matter of law or record IF the matter wasn't an issue in the first place - BECAUSE some liberal burned a flag is the REASON we now have a law protecting the rest of the LIBERALS when they want to burn their flags.

Semper Fi Brothers and Sisters (and everyone else that has and does serve God, Country & Corps)

No Apology Necessary

As a Marine, the corporal is bound by certain rules and regulations, that yes, do not pertain to civilians like me.  A subset of those rules have to do with criticism of the chain-of-command.  If he wants to criticize the President, he is allowed to do so--but not in the context of his being a Marine.  He can lobby his congressman, he can write editorials--but not in the context of his being a Marine.

What remains nonsensical is your (and his) declaration that somehow he doesn't have the rights he fights to protect for me.  Personally, I doubt very much many service personnel think consciously of any "rights" when they are given an order.  Good Marines simply say "Yes, Sir!" and carry it out.

But what is even more laughable is to lay blame upon "liberals" -- something I'm not even sure you could define.  But it's convenient to use the term as a scapegoat when the ability to make a case fails.  As I pointed out--it wasn't liberals who upheld freedom of speech and expression in this country--it was conservative judges who understand the meaning of the 1st amendment and its importance.  Without them, that sort of expression would have been "chilled."

You are factually incorrect:  there is no law prohibiting flag-burning; nor a law encouraging loud-mouths to protest at funerals.  What there is are legal decisions which uphold certain constitutional principles.  Those principles assert that the government can't simply forbid speech or expression it doesn't like.  (Private employers can.)  While I personally wouldn't burn a flag in protest, nor picket a funeral, these are forms of expression, and if there's anything which makes this a great country, it's that singular freedom.

Conservative writer Ann Coulter was told by the Canadian government a while back that she needed to exercise caution, as her remarks may be construed as "hate speech."  I loathe Ann Coulter.  But the only thing I loathe more is taking away her right to speak her mind without judicial consequence.

Remember, free speech only counts when you dislike what someone says.  Otherwise, it is a worthless freedom.  I'm proud to live in a place where I can say whatever I want about the government without formal retribution.

I suppose, by your reasoning, that we wouldn't need a first amendment if everyone just said nothing offensive, went to the same church, etc.  And that would be true--right up to the point where someone was saying something others didn't like.  Then it's all about majority rule.  And if there's one thing this country stands up for, it's minority rights.  Because--and this is the critical part--you NEVER know who the next rule makers are going to be...

That's the wisdom of this country.

Good luck.

1st Amendment

Free Speech.  Eventhough with the "Stolen Valor Act" civilians are still protected under the 1st amendment.  Military rules only apply to active duty/reserves and don't apply to civilians. Does not apply to veterans.  Does not apply to veterans either because they are civilians & don't answer to any military chain of command. Veterans reatin their 1st amendment.  Regardless of what the VA says veterans can wear their medals how ever they want, whenever they want including uniforms.  Don't go in the military.    

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