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his is a repost of a blog entry on Tom Ricks' The Best Defense blog. It appears here with his permission.
Friday, January 4, 2013 - 11:25 AM
By "yet another Marine LT"
Best Defense department of the JO exodus

Why are we getting out? It's about the low standards.
We joined because we wanted to be part of an elite organization dedicated to doing amazing things in defense of our nation. We wanted to make a contribution to something great, to be able to look back at a decisive chapter in American history and say "yeah, I was part of that." We joined the Corps because if we were going in to the fight, we wanted to serve with the best. We wanted the kind of job that would make our friends who took soulless, high-paying corporate jobs feel pangs of jealousy because we went to work every day with a purpose.
It causes a deep, bitter pain to acknowledge that I don't think this is the organization in which I currently serve. The reason we're getting out is because the Marine Corps imposes a high degree of stress, yet accepts Mission Failure so long as all the boxes on the list are checked.
I'm talking about the Field Grade Intelligence Officer in Afghanistan who didn't know who Mullah Omar was. I'm talking about a senior Staff NCO in the intelligence community who could not produce a legible paragraph. I'm talking about a Battalion Commander who took pride in the fact that he had done zero research on Afghanistan, because it allowed him to approach his deployment with "an open mind." I'm talking about contractors, some of whom were literally paid ten-fold the salary of my junior Marines, who were incapable of performing basic tasks and functionally illiterate. The problem is not so much that these individuals pop up every now and then, as every organization has its bad eggs, but rather that we see them passed on through the system, promoted and rewarded. If we are truly the elite organization we claim to be, how do we justify the fact that we allow these individuals to retain positions of immense influence, much less promote through the ranks? How do we justify this endemic tolerance for mediocrity or outright incompetence?
If you really want to know what an institution values, don't look at its mottos or mission statements. Look at how it spends its resources, especially its human capital. Economists call this "Revealed Preference." When I was in the midst of a time-critical project aimed at mapping insurgent networks in Helmand, I was told to put the project on hiatus so I could organize a visit from General Allen. The implicit message was that a smooth itinerary and content General were more important than catching an insurgent cell before they left for Pakistan. How else was I supposed to interpret this? In my opinion, it's not so much that the Marine Corps doesn't value ideas, but that -- when the chips are down and careers are at stake -- it values appearance and conformity more than winning. The implicit message -- what the Marine Corps reveals by its actions -- is that it's okay to fail to provide any added value, so long as the PowerPoint slides are free of typos, no serialized gear is lost, and everyone attends the Sexual Harassment Prevention training
The biggest issue is that few are willing to acknowledge Mission Failure because doing so is considered "unprofessional," especially for a lieutenant. As an Army Special Forces veteran I worked with was fond of saying, "you get what you incentivize." As it currently stands, there is an overwhelming incentive for officers at all levels to simply keep their units looking sharp, turn in rosy, optimistic assessments, keep off the XO's radar and, above all else, keep from rocking the boat. No matter what becomes of your battlespace, eventually the deployment will end and you can go home. Why risk casualties, a tongue lashing or missed PT time when the reward might not come for years down the road? Why point out that the emperor has no clothes when everyone one involved is going to get their Navy Comms and Bronze Stars if we just let him keep on walking down the road.
We should be better than this. I have found several of the comments and reviews of your latest book baffling. We can quibble about the merits of Marshall's management techniques or the specific metrics by which we should measure officer performance. But can't we unanimously agree that sub-par commanders should be weeded out, especially in an organization that calls itself "the finest fighting force on the face of the earth?" The practice of actively relieving (and eventually separating) leaders for under-performance is no panacea, but shouldn't it at least be a starting point?
I don't want to be misunderstood. The most extraordinary and talented people I've ever met are still serving in the Corps. I live in a wonderful area, I'm well-paid and generally like the people I work with. Given the chance, I would happily deploy again. But looking down the road at what the billet of a Field Grade officer entails, I have to wonder whether the sacrifices will be worth it. Maybe they will. I've seen some Field Grade officers who love their jobs and feel like they're serving a purpose. But I'm not sure I'm willing to take the gamble.
I was told at The Basic School that the most important role as a leader is to say, when everyone is tired and ready to declare victory and just go home, "guys, this isn't good enough, we have to do better." I simply don't see enough leaders willing to say, regarding the things that really matter, "guys, the last eleven years weren't good enough, the nation needs us to do better."



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Comments
Response to Capt K
Capt K, you and others have stated that what is needed is for the Lt and other critical thinking junior officers to accept offers of career designation and remain in the service. The problem is, however, there are no incentives for a quality junior officer to stay in the corps. I was offered career designation and after serving 3 years in Okinawa I wanted some say over my next assignment but the monitor/ personnel assignment system is so archaic I didn't feel comfortable in accepting career designation only to get a worthless assignment. Now I know many will read this comment and say I am part of the entitlement generation but look I went to a top university, I served as a platoon commander in afghanistan, and I have options for my future. The marine corps needs to compete to retain quality officers but right now the attitude is no individual junior officer really matters we can always replace him/her. The problem with this attitude, however, is we are setting ourselves up for another generation of subpar field grades because the only junior officers who end up accepting career designation are those who have no other options in life. As the marine corps moves into "peace time" there are going to be huge problems in recruiting and retaining quality - we need to wakeup to this. Gone are the days of top performers who join the service to go to combat now we have the prevalence of those looking for that sweet 20 year retirement deal.
Well Said
I just got out of the corps after turning down career designation and have moved on to a career where my skill set will be used and valued. I can honestly say the real world is far more demanding and better than the circus and childishness of the Marine Corps.
Once a Marine... Once is Enough
Yep, this sums it up. I was
Yep, this sums it up.
I was an 0321 with a 135 GT, 300 PFT and flawless record with two deployments. I couldn't wait to get out. Now i am finishing my degree in two semesters with a 3.9 GPA and am going to BUD/s.
I love the Corps for many reasons, but i could not stay with things like this happening on a near daily basis. The mission was hardly ever the priority. Cleaning the floors of a can with baby wipes while on deployment instead of preparing for the next mission is unsat. This was happening at 1st Recon, so i can only imagine the idiocy creeping through the other units.
When something is wrong and
When something is wrong and you are in command, attempt to fix it. Understand your limits and collaborate with others to improve your chances of making change for the better. I love the Corps, it taught me the basics as an enlistedman. When dissatisfied with the Corps, I had to make a choice and left with deep regret.
I went on to join the Army Special Forces and get down and dirty in the field without having to explain every action I had to take. I could make decisions as long as they supported the mission I was assigned. I enjoyed listening to my enlisted members exchange their experiences that made me a better Officer. Retired, I look back on my ventures and I still love the Marine Corps, it was my foundation and made me better for things I did later in military life and civilian.
Semper Fidelis always,
LTC Army Special Forces Retired (Vietnam-Veterans)
The Okinawa Example
A great example of stagnant thinking is our current plan to go back to senseless deployments to Okinawan resorts where Marines are not wanted or needed. There is a great article at G2mil.com about this. Marines are needed worldwide, but when they are needed quickly at places like Libya, none are around, but thousands are sitting around Oki. I've been there twice, and dread going back there again and sitting in a prison camp counting the days while I watch Army and Navy special forces on CNN fighting African pirates.
Entitlement Generation?????
It's too bad the author's whining and other supporting comments reinforce the belief that this is the "Entitlement Generation"... It seems now days everyone thinks they are a Nagl, Patraeus, Yingling... and are entitled to be placed on a pedestal. Get over it. We have been fighting in complex environments in the past decade. In the military not everyone gets a vote. Leaders have to make tough decisions and weigh options along with prioritizing amidst friction, uncertainty, and sometimes chaos. As a leader there are forums and means to provide input. Take care of those things you are responsible for and can control. Accomplish your mission and take care of your Marines. Fix the problems that directly impact the former and the latter. Be humble, have humility, and serve with compassion and commitment. Break the moniker of entitlement. Whining about what's broken without a commitment to fix the problem does no good. For those that are leaving, everone is replaceable. For every Lieutenant that leaves there are 10 in line who have the desire to serve a cause greater than themselves. If you think corporate America is any better, think again!
You should really read the article...
The article is suggesting that the mission be put on a pedestal, not the individual.
“For those that are leaving, everone is replaceable. For every Lieutenant that leaves there are 10 in line who have the desire to serve a cause greater than themselves.”
And how, exactly is that the least bit relevant to what the article is talking about?
Excellent truth based article
Agree 100%, most accurate article on the Marine Corps I've read... I witnessed a MSgt while in Afghanistan book govt plane tickets to visit his girlfriend (a subordinate) because "They needed printer ink" and when fraternization, fraud, waste, and abuse was brought up, the "leadership" did nothing. Even the request mast that made its way up to a general proved futile. This is just one example of many.
Here is another great article that addresses this issue.
http://www.onemarinesview.com/one_marines_view/2011/01/why-our-best-officers-are-leaving.html
I assume this comment will draw replies from careerist field grades and SNCO's which will be laden with misspellings, insults, and condescencion. Please prove me wrong.
What did you do about it?
Did you try the Inspector General or Fraud Waste and Abuse hotline? I'm sure this action would require General Officer action/inquiry...
Standards and a Marine Leader's Attributes
I was quite disappointed by the Lieutenant's remarks. I particularly disagree with his “low standards” comment. The Marine Corps is not perfect – no organization is. An officer may be surrounded by people who have been allowed to underperform, but their challenge is to change things. This is done through the "contagion of example". In my past 20 years of service as both an enlisted man and officer, I have come across Marines both senior and junior from all walks of life; some rich, some poor, some smarter than Albert Einstein, and others with the intelligence of a gnat. I have had bad leaders and great ones. Regardless of their attributes, I have not met a Marine who did not have something to give to the Team given the right leadership and example. The Marine Corps stands as a great organization because of the sum of its parts. We will always have Marines who are weaker than others. This does not mean we accept mediocracy by any means, it means we never cease developing our Marines and we always hold them to standard. Additionally, an important aspect of the Marine leader's job – be it a Lieutenant or General – is to set the example for all to follow and exhibit confidence and loyalty to our subordinates, superiors, and the institution. We do this all in the worst conditions if necessary - combat. Marine leaders don't complain and we certainly don't “cut-bait” and run to greener pastures when things get tough or things are not what we would like them to be. What has set the Marine Corps apart from other organizations throughout history is our “can-do” and “make-do” spirit. I encourage the disillusioned Lieutenant to read Chapter 16 of his Marine Officer's Guide and perhaps The Armed Forces Officer guidebook. If he chooses to “cut-bait” I appreciate his service and I wish him luck in finding a better organization – it will take him a long time to find one.
Maj R. Herrera
USMC
LOL
get a life herrera
Defensive?
I was a "grunt" not intel, enlisted not an officer, but I got out and went to Harvard, why Harvard because a gunny told me I could not.
here's a grunts take on the issue:
To all of you who are in disagreement with the author.
The author is adressing an issue, I do not think he hit the whole issue. From what I understand his issue is this: By focusing on messurable data points, we have (by accident I believe) promoted incompetence in feilds that matter. I was enlisted so I can not speak to your side of things, but this is true: The enlisted Marine of today did not join for the dress blues or to cruise around the world. He joined to be a killer, to be dirty, bloody and in the end; die a violent death. Those killers, are leaving because they are not respected, valued, wanted, or promoted, infact they are treated poorly because they care little for the shows they are ordered to put on for the officers. You can say stop whining, that IS why I and my brothers left; address the issue or do not those are the facts.
If those of you who still love the Corps want to have a Corps of violent men its your job to fix it, not ours. When you do I will gladly come back and do your killing for you. However, I do not believe that is what you want.
Personally I gave up my love for the Corps when the Corps made it clear that saving face was prioritized over killing the enemy. That, is a fact, calling names does not change that.
To those of you who love the Corps: If you want to change I will come back smiling. Until then you can know my pride does not come from a clean uniform but from a dirty one, and that is the differance between warriors and men who play dress up.
0311
EH
Marine Infantry - Combat Veteran
CEO - Intelligent Hunter Inc.
P.S. Gunny Beach & Sgt Porter
I did go to Harvard
Guess I was that smart.
elliot you misrepresent yourself
Elliot you went to Harvard extension which has open admissions. That's like the community college portion of Harvard. You're another typical lying, scheming,and pompous for no reason Marine.
I guess they don't emphasize
I guess they don't emphasize spelling and grammar at Harvard.
Amazing insight, genius... What are you doing to change it?
To the anonymous "L T"who wrote the initial article:
Anyone who believes that most of us are not aware of this problem and making a decision on a daily basis to change it for the better, to the point that they anonymously publish this type of whining in any forum, is a self centered clown who I normally wouldn't dignify with more than two words. Child-like is the right term (but not my original two words) to describe this type of world view. We're all well aware that there are some less than stellar performers in positions that they just should not be in and that our community has several sub-par leaders. Think "cross section of our society." Is the thought that this is somehow different outside the Marine Corps? Good luck with that and don't let the door hit you when you leave. If you're going to stay, consider seeking out a mentor/leader/example you trust and admire (there are some VERY good ones in this gun club) and figure out a way to support what they're doing to change the situation while empowering your own subordinates to do the same instead of fostering further disdain for the organization. In short, be more than just a smart guy, be a leader and make the change that you wish someone before you had but didn't or wasn't able to. Stop screaming how you're better than these people and prove it, jackass. Your Marines are counting on it.
Sincerely hoping you'll consider this and grow into your rank,
A Field Grade Marine Intel Officer
Corroboration
The anonymous comment made by this Field Grade Officer just reinforces the points made in the article. Excellent read, I passed on to all the Lt's in our Regiment.
Stand up and Lead
As an American and formerly active duty Marine, I want to thank you for your service. I am now part of a large police agency and I have witnessed much of what you describe in my agency. As it does you now, this used to really bother me. One day I realized that the job I do as an officer and a leader is what is important. I quit focusing on the foolishness I saw within my agency and decided to concentrate on my men and my mission. I regret leaving the Corps and you will too. Hang tough and make your command the best it can be. If those under your command demostrate the traits you disdain, put a stop to it and move on. Think about it. Right now you can cultivate the best squad in the Corps and one day you may lead the best Division. It is up to you and you alone.
Semper Fi Sir!.
Cpl Patrick Earp
USMC
Dead on right
The author is right on with this stuff. The Corps is getting back to "looking good" instead of "being good" like it was in the early 90's. Ironic that it's happening when we're still at war.
Part of the problem is expectation management of enlisted and officers who join the Corps. Marine Corps Recruiting Command, OCS, and TBS distribute more Kool-Aid than any organization on the planet. Instead of slaying dragons, walking around in Blues all day, and doing Tough-Mudder type PT every morning followed by a warrior breakfast, they encounter reality in the form of commands more focused on training attendance rosters and cover the commander's ass safety briefs.
Chain of Command
If you have a Legitimate Concern Request Mast and Move up the Chain of Command and make sure your concern is either addressed or at least mitigated. Otherwise quit whining. I had a Private in my Mortar Squad that was a Bona-Fide Section 8 I literally had to Dress him and in Combat he would have gotten all of Us Killed. Did anybody in the Battalion CP Give a Damn. Not one Bit but I took it up the Chain of Command and was told to take care of Him and if the Balloon wenrt up they would address it at that time if I still had concerns. Sometimes you just have remember You are a small Part of the Best Team America Has. Even if you are Supervising the Shoveling of Shit on an Army Base in Louisiana! You are Either Part of the Team or You didn't learn shit from shinola in Basic School.
Thank you for your Service, now go home...
As a Retired MSgt, it is my pleasure to Thank You for your service to my Corps. I am also greatful that you are leaving. It was my responsibility as a Senior SNCO to taek every situation and make it better. As an Officer, it was yours too. I never quit on my Marines. I never quit on my Officers that i was serving under, even if I did not agree with them or the situation. I followed orders and took care of the Marines under my supervision and made them the best that I could and didn't complain about organizing visits or attending Sexual Harrassment classes. I learned Dedication in Boot camp from my Drill Instructors. Thank you SSgt Holden for making me dedicated, no matter the problems aroundme. I wish you could have learn that too Sir.
This comment serves only to
This comment serves only to reinforce the points made in this article. Excellent job with your misspellings and lack of grammar.
Completely agree with the MSgt.
This article promotes a lazy attitude that pisses me off. Getting out of an organization that doesn't meet your expectations as a junior officer is counter-productive and short-sighted. The current senior leadership, hate to say it, is folks that made it through an almost non-existent career designation process. That means everyone made it through so yes, there will be some bad leaders. Regardless, what is NEEDED is for these folks who feel so elite to remain in service until they are senior leaders and therefore in the position to change things.
You even SAY it! 'I was told at The Basic School that the most important role as a leader is to say, when everyone is tired and ready to declare victory and just go home, "guys, this isn't good enough, we have to do better."' Hypocritical, whiny, and pathetic. If you don't like it, the answer is not to run away. How about trying to fix it?
Capt K
Completely disagree with Capt K
“Hypocritical, whiny, and pathetic. If you don't like it, the answer is not to run away. How about trying to fix it?”
The article is not whining, but pointing out several examples of how the Marine Corps puts style over substance. That you refuse to respond to these criticisms and write the author off as a whiner is telling. You are not one for critical thinking, are you? You’ll go far in the Corps.
grow up
stop complaining.. don't like it.. go back into the "world" , see what its like (like everyone else) to work for a job or a career.. Grow up. If your part of the teams. They preach "suffer in silence". Do your job or leave. There will always be someone else to take your spot.
The author has legitimate
The author has legitimate complaints about the Corps and your best response is to "suffer in silence?" I think it is you who need to grow up.
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