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Banshee
04-30-2007, 08:23 AM
A must read article by Lt Col Paul Yingling USA is in this month's Armed Forces Journal at:

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/05/2635198

Do his observations apply to some Marine generals or other senior Marine leaders?

SWJED
05-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Reflections on 'Generalship' (http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/05/reflections-on-generalship/) by LTC Paul Yingling at the Small Wars Journal blog.


Friends,

I've recently joined Small Wars Journal and I want to express my thanks for the terrific debate (http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=2724) on my recent 'generalship' piece (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/05/2635198).

I thought I would share some common questions/comments about the piece, as well as my responses.

Most of the response has been very positive, and some of it has been intensely personal. I've received some very disturbing emails from Soldiers and family members describing how bad leadership has impacted their lives. To be honest, I was not prepared for that response and I'm very troubled by what I've heard.

The most common criticism of the piece is that I did not address the role of civilian authorities more explicitly. While I don't think a serving officer should publicly criticize civil authorities, there is a more substantive question here. Who does society hold responsible for the application of non-military instruments of power to achieve the aims of policy? That's a much larger question than the one I took on regarding the responsibilities of general officers. However, it's a fair question that I would like to take a stab at eventually. Any thoughts on this topic are very much appreciated...

More at the link...

Calvin
05-17-2007, 07:24 AM
"The choice of making war to achieve a better peace is inherently a value judgment in which the statesman must decide those interests and beliefs worth killing and dying for. The military man is no better qualified than the common citizen to make such judgments. He must therefore confine his input to his area of expertise — the estimation of strategic probabilities."

I want to point out, respectfully, a contradiction here. A "military man" wrote this piece and he writes without hesitation what a Statesman ought to do, only to later say that a military man should confine his judgements to his area of expertise. If this is indeed true it begs the question, then why is he (a military man) making a judgement (the oughtness) on the business of statesmanship?

indiasix
05-21-2007, 02:28 PM
LtCol Yingling mentions peer ratings in his discussion of officer promotions. It has long been known that the single best predictor of the subsequent performance of a Marine officer is his peer ratings at The Basic School. So far as I know, those ratings do not, however, become part of his promotion record.

Should they, and if so, how?

Calvin
05-22-2007, 08:00 AM
"It has long been known that the single best predictor of the subsequent performance of a Marine officer is his peer ratings at The Basic School. So far as I know, those ratings do not, however, become part of his promotion record."

Are these "peer ratings" apart of any offical record? Is there documented proof/authoritative source that supports this claim as "the single best predictor"?

indiasix
05-22-2007, 02:40 PM
Calvin,

I know of no formal study, nor do I know whether raw TBS performance date is retained.

Calvin
05-22-2007, 04:21 PM
IndiaSix,

If this is so (i.e. no proof) why do you believe this is so (i.e. the single best predictor)?

indiasix
05-22-2007, 07:03 PM
It is possible that the conclusion is based on anecdotal evidence, although there may be a study of which I am not aware. It was nevertheless generally accepted as true by a fair number of competent officers over a lot of years. The point remains that if it can be verified as true, might the information serve a useful purpose?

Calvin
05-23-2007, 01:39 AM
I'm with you - if it can be verified true it most certainly can be useful one way or the other. In other words, such verification could determine that "a fair number of competent officers over a lot of years" were wrong...or right for that matter. The problem still exists that we really don't know but I think it would be a great issue for Manpower to take up. I can only imagine how much harder I may have tried (to stay awake) if such empirical data was displayed at the beginning of TBS.

I enjoyed the discussion IndiaSix, have a good one.

indiasix
05-23-2007, 01:38 PM
I, too, might have done less courting and more studying, but it would have mattered little, since, as best I recall, there was little correlation between academic standing and peer ratings. The latter tended to be more a reflection of whether one worked at being a Marine at all times or just when the SPCs were watching.

Calvin
05-23-2007, 03:47 PM
Hence, the usefulness of peer evals.

If have to admit the size of our community does serve to support the idea that peer ratings do have some effect (maybe even prophetic as far as performance is concerned) down the road. If you stood out (good or bad) you are remmbered for a long time.

SWJED
05-25-2007, 05:40 AM
Another related post at the Small Wars Journal blog - Of "Intellectual and Moral" Failures (http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/05/of-intellectual-and-moral-fail/) by Brigadier General Huba Wass de Czege, US Army (Ret.).


With some interest I have been tracking these exchanges over what Paul Yingling, Jack Cushman and Doug McGregor have had to say about our military operations since 9/11. It takes a great deal of courage to say things that are sure to be unpopular whether you are beyond the reach of those who might be offended or not, and therefore we ought to listen for that reason alone. And Paul Yingling is most at risk, therefore his message interests me the most.

There is another reason to listen. I know Jack Cushman and Doug McGregor personally, and they are in the top few percentiles points of their respective generations in intellect and passion for the profession of arms. I suspect Paul Yingling is too. Intellect and passion for our business should be cultivated.

There is a third reason to listen closely, and that is to encourage others to share their views. I think these discussions are healthy, actually they are a sign of hope for the institution. It was exactly these kinds of discussions that led to the Post Vietnam Army Reforms of the 1980's. And during the mid to late 70's general officers had to face tough questions from Leavenworth and War College students. Most bore our criticisms with good grace. I suspect those of the present day will do so as well...

Calvin
05-28-2007, 04:54 PM
As I came to the conclusion of this article (Of "Intellectual and Moral" Failures) I could not help the feeling that I had read this before. I did some digging and found the same sentiment reflected in Chapter 1 of the Small Wars Manual (SMW), specifically Sections II and III. Is it possible that a manual printed over 60 years ago is still relavent in today's complex, asymetric environment? I have not yet finished reading it so I will withhold my assessment/opinion until I have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. I would loved to here an appraisal of the SWM and it applicability today from someone that has recently read it.